I have been surprised at the amount of support in the media for Van Ngyuen (sp?) and his impending execution. Whilst I don’t condone the death penalty for his particular offence, I do think that we should learn to respect the rights of individual countries and their laws. The fact that
What does annoy me most of all however is that some sections of the media, driven by I don’t know who, are calling for “the Nation” to stop for a minute silence at 9:00am Friday. How ridiculous is that?!?! When do we stop for a mark of respect at other times? Armistice Day to pay respect to the war dead. We pause to reflect on Anzac Day again as a celebration of people who sacrificed all. We also stop to reflect on the lives of famous people who pass away before sporting events and we will stop to pay respect to those who have died in tragic circumstances – for example September 11.
Do you see the common thread in all of these?? Its called Respect. You stop to “pay respect” to the person or persons who have died. Why would I want to pay “respect” to a guy who was selfishly bringing massive amounts of a deadly drug into our country for his own personal gains and got stupidly caught?
That is not what a minute silence is about and for once I agree with John Howard that it won’t be happening.
Enjoy the cricket Johnny, no need to worry about anything other than ensuring the PM’s XI win the toss and bat.
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I have to say I agree whole heartedly with you Clay. I quite frankly don't give a stiff shit that half these idiots - these CRIMINALS - deserve even a second thought for what they're going through.
What if the drug made it through and people died because of what he did? Would Australia stop in rememberence for them?
What a god damned farce.
Let the moron hang I say - and any other idiot Australian who thinks drug running is a proper means to an end.
No wonder there's so much crime running rife in Australia - we're a bunch of soft roosters!
Mmm...maybe this will develop into a running battle...but both of you are full of shit! Seriously, to stand back and sling out all the regurgitated "opinions" of half assed morning radio jocks and half wit "news" papers??? C'mon! Maybe I expect more from gamers...but let's explore just a few of the issues raised in this post.
1.Massive amounts of deadly drugs. Bullshit! 400grams is hardly MASSIVE. Get real boys...it isn't a spit in a bucket to what is brought into this country alone...let alone the world wide production. To even suggest he was somehow the Grim Reapers messenger boy is also a double fallacy. You ignore the obvious fact (contained in your own "fuck him he is an idiot" argument)that heroin users make their OWN choice. THEY know the risk and yet still choose to use a deadly drug. If you were serious about your "death merchant" argument you would be up in arms over tobbacco and booze. Surely you both know the numbers. The biggest killers are ciggies and piss and cars. So should we be stringing up corner store ladies and Ford salesman???
Ask your self this...where did he GET the "massive" amount of horse? In Singapore...do you know how many TONS of shit come out and thru that port??? Well more than 400g.
Death Penalty is a deterrent. Bullshit! EVERY single reasearch paper on the topic comes to the same conclusion...given that desperation is central to most crime (and even more so in drug mules) the penalty is hardly considered. Period. It JUST DOSEN'T WORK! Add in the problem of bad lawyers and faulty evidence and the number of innocents killed is OBSCENE!
Death Penalty is simply not to be "respected" no mater what country is using it. Nothing devalues society more than the state maintaining the right to kill people.
And that to me is the saddest theme running thru both of your statements. Your easily taken stance that somehow YOU know enough to say "Kill The Moron!" IF crime is running rife (and I would argue the numbers are even against THAT contention) it is not because compassion and mercy have stepped up...it is because people are far to slack in their thinking and too quick to say "fuck you".
Ultimatly ask yourself this...After this boy is murdered (and make no mistake...no matter how you change the language it is the perfect definition of pre-meditated murder)
Will the world be a safer place?
Will the world be a better place?
Will drugs cease to be a problem?
I think if you are honest...you'll have to see that NO is the answer to all 3.
So sharpen up fellas...because if being stupid DOES become a capital crime...well...
Thats Oz, never holds back....
ok this next bit is in ramble mode, is a little incoherent and prob doesnt make much sense, read at your own peril i say.
Look on this pause for a moment i gotta say thats shit, its about respect when we do it other times, i cant respect some one who is willing to ignore another countries laws, no matter how unjust, evil , backward, cruel, immoral, and do smuggling and shit, its not like the Singies and the Indo's and the Thai's have been hiding that they have the death penalty for this shit, they have been very open about it for a long time and these damn silly buggers keep doing it. Yes theyre desperate, yes it was only 400g's, but as far as we are aware he chose to do it as an option to help out his family or some such. Turns out its been a very poor choice. its going to get him hung from the neck until as the judge in the old movies used to say " hes dead dead dead."
re the death penalty, well its not a deterrent. true
it is a penalty .
Hence the name. sure its a form of premeditated murder and meets the definition and all that. ill concede that, but thats what that country has chosen to have as its ultimate penalty, we can think its distasteful, we can detest that they have it and chant in the streets about how its so immoral, but the end of the day thats the penalty they chose, he had to have known that, he thought he could get away with it, he didnt, and if you get caught and cant wiggle out of it, it happens to you.
Interestingly a poll qouted in the MX, the freebie train newspaper we have on te trains here had almost even public support in Aus for hanging him as for commuting the sentence and 7% undecided, which means more probably 7% just didnt give a toss or like my wife who never watches the news or reads the newspaper, just has no idea its happening. As an example, it was a week after it happened before my wife found out about the Tsunami, and I think she still thinks the Channel Tunnel is some plot i thought up to make her look silly, i love my wife but she has some moments...
on the whole death penalty thing in Aus, well no, we probably not really the kind of society that could stomach it anymore, them aisan countries however...they just dont put the same values that we do, hence why its so interesting i think to travel experience those cultures....and hope like hell you havnt broken any laws...
When all is said and done they are going to either hoik im or reprieve im. in the end its their choice, they is making it, and we really have no right as a nation to stop them or to do more than we have done. actually same newspaper had Ruddock, oppo foreign, wouted as praising Downer for having had a crack, saying he did all he could for the lad and his mum who just wants to hug him goodbye and that there wasnt anymore he coulda done. nice little bi partisan moment that. seeing a oppo poli saying that about gov benchie. also seems to sugges tthat he felt he didnt think of anything different to do himself.
Governments make shitty choices every day, both foreign and domestic.
Life, your stuck with it until something takes it away.
If you dont like a foreign countries laws, if you dont like that it has the Death penalty then basically dont go there.Dont go there and break those laws becuaae they dont have em for the fun of it ya know. Thy have em to use and these countries use that one a hell of a lot more than any US state , hell the whole place does.
well that was ramble mode, is a little incoherent and prob doesnt make much sense, and you have read it at your own peril. I thinki have basically tried to be neutral here and sorta say thats its all well and good to get heated up and passionate etc for one side or the other, but in the end, They have that law, they have that penalty and you go there and do that thing thats the risk you run and you knew it when you went. regardless of whether its moral, or not, just or not, it IS. And thats that.
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